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I think we will have a pleasant surprise on or around 15th July, for full PEA disclosure and Technical Report.
The answer provided to my difference in NPV calc's, not verbatim, is the 1 June NR, presented summary results and conclusions, and that further detail can be expected in the coming full PEA, which in my words is taken to mean besides more detail, more concise and accurate too.
$115M usd's difference in NPV is big in determining current share price valuation of a prospective take-out, and shake my head at the RPA conservativeness when looking at the numbers. (ex., us$438M compared to us$553M)
Capex at us$411.5M, as contingencies taken now at us$80M will be at or near $0 by mining. (result of -$80M is an NPV at us$633.4M, using us$110M net cash flows over 22 years)
Discount Rate 10% is high, (Current NPV us$553M at 10%, is us$913M at 6%, which is more in-line current economic conditions and will go to zero year 1 of mining = NPV us$2.0 Billion)
Other uplifting NPV Factors,
Prices Paid/Tonne, RE's us$8500 - PEA us$7500, imo a surprise lurking for the 4th sector and that prices are not set for LiB, Fuel Cell and Powder Met. I believe by year 1 mining Chahar and Yamashito will have contracted higher than avg us$8500/t providing a big boost to NPV and IRR.
Mining & Processing and Recovery Rates should be better before year 1, based upon the new (2) smaller conceptual Open Pit, which will reduce Mining Waste significantly (Overburden same as) compared to the RE's, one large Open Pit encompassing the whole resource. Processing Optimization will continue until year 1 mining with more improvement than currently indicated.
RPA set a very conservative base, to enable ZEN to only work higher in Valuation. The problem, the TSXV no longer values companies, only trades them until forced to do so by Formal Offers.
Cheers, Mark (still my opinion AE and Stowe will get a Best Valued Deal, though like that Tesla Strategic Partner scenario)
ZEN reports after-Tax Cash Flows us$100M per year for 22 years (Capex us$411,465,000)
ZEN reports this NPV us $438M discounted at 10%, and a IRR 24%, imo ????
In the following sample, NPV is actually us$553M for 10% discount and IRR is 26.6% (cad 81.81 today = cad NPV c$676M /61m f/d shares = c$11.08)
2017
-411,465,000
-411,465,000
2018
Year 1
110,000,000
-311,465,000
110,000,000
2019
2
110,000,000
-220,555,900
90,909,100
2020
3
110,000,000
-137,911,200
82,644,700
2021
4
110,000,000
-62,779,800
75,131,400
2022
5
110,000,000
5,521,545
68,301,345
2023
6
110,000,000
67,613,677
62,092,132
2024
7
110,000,000
124,061,070
56,447,393
2025
8
110,000,000
175,376,880
51,315,810
2026
9
110,000,000
222,027,620
46,650,740
2027
10
110,000,000
264,437,380
42,409,760
2028
11
110,000,000
302,991,710
38,554,330
2029
12
110,000,000
338,041,100
35,049,390
2030
13
110,000,000
369,904,180
31,863,080
2031
14
110,000,000
398,870,620
28,966,440
2032
15
110,000,000
425,203,740
26,333,120
2033
16
110,000,000
449,142,950
23,939,210
2034
17
110,000,000
470,905,860
21,762,910
2035
18
110,000,000
490,690,330
19,784,470
2036
19
110,000,000
508,676,210
17,985,880
2037
20
110,000,000
525,027,000
16,350,790
2038
21
110,000,000
539,891,370
14,864,370
2039
22
110,000,000
553,404,420
13,513,050
Date
Year 1
Net Margin
NPV
Discounted
Cash Flows
Cash Flows
I also consider the “Discount Rate” high (10yr Bond Rate us2.4% + 3% risk premium) so 10% is high in current economic climate and will definitely be lowered to 6% by the first year mining (BFS).
Our same NPV at 10% of us$553M = NPV at 8% us$710,616,800, or NPV at 6% us$913,108,980
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ZEN reported pre-Tax NPV at us $614.7M ???
Pre-Tax NPV us$1.021B at 10%, IRR 39.7% (Net Rev $5454 x 30 ktpa = us$163.62M over 22 years)
http://www.business-analysis-made-easy.com/NPV-Calculator.html
Cheers, Mark (sent to ZEN)
What a concept, as fTN and G describe. IMO it would be a smart move for Tesla in its current situation and wanting NA Supply that is long-lived for a unique product, and has currently at a minimum, ½ the resource for 22 years.
As pointed out, the us$411M Capex aside (with $80M in contingencies), it’s the supply for 20 years and avg pricing of $2055 that’s a no brainer and thoughts of a big bonus for non-dilution of ZEN shareholders.
I see the Markets Value at c$95M MCap, still doesn’t understand ZEN, nor register the future supply/demand imbalances in the clean industry growing potential and the future as a critical material forth coming and that uniqueness of the Albany Hydrothermal Graphite can provide for the markets.
ZEN’s very conservative PEA quoted pre-Tax NPV at us$614.7M, discounted at 10% for a IRR 27%, and
After-Tax NPV us$438M (10% Discount) with IRR 24%.
(ZEN will be reporting in CAD, pre-Tax NPV will be c$762.8M, after-Tax c$543M)
I guess the Market doesn’t understand what NPV means.
I thought it meant the Net Present Value today, which would mean our shares should be valued between c$8.90 – c$12.50 (based on cad 80.62) and some think maybe only at 30% NPV is in order, following that of others in the misunderstood graphite industry PEA’s.
Still at 30% shareprice should range c$2.67 to c$3.73 (after-tax to pre-tax NPV)
Hardly justified is todays c$1.55 value.
NPV are cash flows that are discounted to give the real market value today.
“If you have a string of cash flows that extend over a number of years, it is hard to decide what the value of those cash flows are. NPV is an attempt to get a measure of the value of those cash flows boiled down into one number. So we first decide on a discount rate. That discount rate should be the minimum rate of return that you would be willing to accept on your money. So then you reverse compound each of your cash flows to the present. So if you have a cash flow of $1000 that will occur 2 years into the future and your discount rate is 8% then the present value of that cash flow would be $1000/((1.08)x(1.08))=$857.34. So if you have a cash flow at 4 years in the future you would divide by 1.08, 4 times. You get NPV or the Net Present Value when you take all the present values and net them together.”
My PEA NPV numbers show higher values than ZEN reported (ran the numbers multiple times) with Capex us$411.465M over 22 years.
Try it out, http://www.business-analysis-made-easy.com/NPV-Calculator.html
Pre-Tax NPV us$1.021B at 10%, IRR 39.7% (Net Rev $5454 x 30 ktpa = us$163.62M over 22 years)
After-Tax NPV us$553M at 10%, IRR 26.6% (Net Rev us$110M)
Shareprices? C$11.23 to c$20.75 (aftertax to pretax) and at 30% there of c$3.36 to c$6.22
Based on a most conservative PEA!
There is hope in ZEN getting Fair value but not by this Market!
Cheers, Mark
Well said Siegfried,
Will just add as history repeats yet again, a good back-up plan should have been readied, ie., 4th segment, firm type pricing contract, etc., we could really use a Strategic Investor Partner.
Still think 1M shares are being dumped by TD increasing the selling pressure, forgot about CLF and dire financial condition.
PEA sets a very conservative base, $80M in contingencies 24% of Capex and on 1/2 resource. After-tax $110M cash flow is not chump change measured against are beaten down MCap now standing at $90M.
Cheers, Mark
TD just puked another 100k shares, MCap now $90m,
Thinking maybe those 1m warrants were exercised since Monday and being disposed of.
(TD was the Cliff seller last summer)
Cheers, Mark
Just to show changes over time and between reports,
Original Focus PEA 29 Oct 2012
- Report Recovery 91.3% for a 92% Cg concentrate
- then Thermal Purification for 99.99% Cg, but losses of 15% more,
Then at FS in 2014
- recovery 91% on a concentrate 97.8% Cg (what is it to 99.99%)
Also interesting was the Contingency to Capex between PEA to FS
PEA 25% or $24M on Capex $154M
FS 11.5% for a Capex $165M
As for ZEN Recovery, though not stated but numbers presented indicate 74%, err's on the conservative assumption side again in line with the Total Report presented and for ensuring future upside. Just imo, Cheers, Mark